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Well, don't get me wrong about this. Certainly i can understand people trying to max the performance of their char. We all do this, me included. And if you do these calculations for your and your friends use, that doesn't bother me at all. But, the problem is, if you are able to do the maths, other people would be able too. So they will start to upload those numbers to internet sites and soon they will become some sort of semi-official requirements guide. You want to go to X instance/raid? Oh sorry, we can't invite you. Your dps/healing is too low, your hit chance is not capped, your hp are not enough and so on.
You get the picture. This is what i am afraid of.
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Lednik wrote:
Your dps/healing is too low, your hit chance is not capped, your hp are not enough and so on.
You get the picture. This is what i am afraid of.

Well, this has to happen imo.
If you don't have the hit chance capped you'll probably never hit the raid boss, so why do you want to raid like that? If you have the best gear and your DPS/HPS is too low then maybe you're doing something wrong and you do need some advice or you need to read some sites/guides about your class.
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Lanius wrote:
Well, this has to happen imo.
If you don't have the hit chance capped you'll probably never hit the raid boss, so why do you want to raid like that? If you have the best gear and your DPS/HPS is too low then maybe you're doing something wrong and you do need some advice or you need to read some sites/guides about your class.

No, that's really a sign of limited thinking.

If my hitting ratio is at 75% and the damage I deal is at 200% then the damage I deal over the same amount of time would be150% of the other guy. What if the damage I do is 75% at the same hit rate, but my HP is at 150%, and I can heal myself (or someone else) in case of an emergency? What if I deal 10% less damage, almost never miss, and do a high chance of stuns or other secondary effects?

Things don't have to be black and white.

While someone may not be as good in situation one, in situation two he may amaze everyone. If everyone is build for the off chance they may meet a boss that needs everyone to work well in 4v1, then I hope they won't reach the boss because they can't handle 4v20. Maybe that one guy that can't do that fictional required dps can effectively crowd control 10 others.
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Lednik wrote:
Well, don't get me wrong about this. Certainly i can understand people trying to max the performance of their char. We all do this, me included. And if you do these calculations for your and your friends use, that doesn't bother me at all. But, the problem is, if you are able to do the maths, other people would be able too. So they will start to upload those numbers to internet sites and soon they will become some sort of semi-official requirements guide. You want to go to X instance/raid? Oh sorry, we can't invite you. Your dps/healing is too low, your hit chance is not capped, your hp are not enough and so on.
You get the picture. This is what i am afraid of.
Theorycrafting has never become that semi-official guide that people required you knew all about. In fact, most people don't bother with it and if it is required anywhere that would be only the most "elitist" of the "elitist" raiders.
What you are talking about however are the utter basics of it, that, after a while will be sort of "common knowledge". Can't help that but it's not something you have to do (except the boss actually requires you to have a certain amount of hp or such) or anyone would require you to if you are still doing a fine job otherwise. Most people won't ask you to do something in that direction unless it is really striking (10% hit Wink).
As long as your build has its strengths you won't be forced to change it.

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Lanius wrote:

Well, this has to happen imo.
If you don't have the hit chance capped you'll probably never hit the raid boss, so why do you want to raid like that? If you have the best gear and your DPS/HPS is too low then maybe you're doing something wrong and you do need some advice or you need to read some sites/guides about your class.

If i already have the best gear, why would i raid?
Just as a sidenote: believe me or not, my hit chance was never capped, i didn't really care about this. And still, i was doing quite well on dps meters.
OK, i admit i am not very much focused on things like loot and progression. Some time ago i used to play with several RL friends. Almost half of them were a total disaster as players and we wiped very often. But we had a lot of fun, jokes, etc. If we kill the boss - great, some loot is very much welcome. But even if we don't, we still had a good time and enjoyed ourselves.
May be the majority of the players consider me as a too casual, or even a bad player. I don't know. But my impression is people tend to get too serious about progression and achievements.
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Lednik wrote:
May be the majority of the players consider me as a too casual, or even a bad player. I don't know. But my impression is people tend to get too serious about progression and achievements.
Well then I think you have chosen the wrong community. We're all about ridiculing people for the way they play or gear here! And if you can't help us get all the server firsts, I'm sorry but you will definitely be kicked.

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Grome wrote:
Lednik wrote:
May be the majority of the players consider me as a too casual, or even a bad player. I don't know. But my impression is people tend to get too serious about progression and achievements.
Well then I think you have chosen the wrong community. We're all about ridiculing people for the way they play or gear here! And if you can't help us get all the server firsts, I'm sorry but you will definitely be kicked.

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Grome wrote:
Lednik wrote:
May be the majority of the players consider me as a too casual, or even a bad player. I don't know. But my impression is people tend to get too serious about progression and achievements.
Well then I think you have chosen the wrong community. We're all about ridiculing people for the way they play or gear here! And if you can't help us get all the server firsts, I'm sorry but you will definitely be kicked.

Laughing
I was referring to WoW community, not the people on this board. WoW is my longest gaming experience.
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Lednik wrote:
Lanius wrote:

Well, this has to happen imo.
If you don't have the hit chance capped you'll probably never hit the raid boss, so why do you want to raid like that? If you have the best gear and your DPS/HPS is too low then maybe you're doing something wrong and you do need some advice or you need to read some sites/guides about your class.

If i already have the best gear, why would i raid?

For fun? : D
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Quote :
I'm talking about Sith Inquisitor having to pick the nice Sith answers to make good Sith Sorcerer/healers and Jedi Knights Sentinel having to pick "evil" story choices to make good damage dealer.

Ah gotcha...misunderstood I did

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azarhal wrote:
Grome wrote:
Lednik wrote:
May be the majority of the players consider me as a too casual, or even a bad player. I don't know. But my impression is people tend to get too serious about progression and achievements.
Well then I think you have chosen the wrong community. We're all about ridiculing people for the way they play or gear here! And if you can't help us get all the server firsts, I'm sorry but you will definitely be kicked.

/kick Grome



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Bah whatever, I didn't like you guys anyway -- Buncha suckers!

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Grome Kick

isn't that one of the smuggler's moves?
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Godric_Barbarosa wrote:
Grome Kick

isn't that one of the smuggler's moves?
Unfortunately it has a 1 minute CD.


...Well, unfortunately for you!

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Poor Gromey, Sad

No love eh'? We gotta stick together!

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Poor Gromey, Sad

No love eh'? We gotta stick together!
Yeah... all of us bad children gotta!

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You need a couple "bad apples", it makes for a zesty Apple Cider!!!

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knowledge is power,but if you only blindly follow others you may preform sufficiently up to a certain point but the first hickup will catch you naked and unprepaired.
Knowing why you use a certain abbility ,or how which stat affects your character helps you to tweak more effectively ^^



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Poor Gromey, Sad

No love eh'? We gotta stick together!

That's a Trooper ability, Sticky bomb!


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Kai-Sun wrote:
That's a Trooper ability, Sticky bomb!


/dives for cover
Gotta be careful with that though, lest it sticks to your hand... Rolling Eyes

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*see "Saving Private Ryan"...BOOM!!*

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I theorycraft with my real friends all the time. It's a constant thing we do when we build our characters but we never ever tell other people how to play. We just tell them the logic of our builds if they ask. We are very much against forcing your spec or playstyle on other players.

Another reason I like theorycrafting is to disprove all the naysayers. I played a Retribution paladin in WoW and for 80% of my WoW playing experience I was told that I couldn't DPS and that I was a "Retardin" and that I was specced "Retlol" and was called a "lolladin" and such. It made it that much sweeter when I'd out dps just such a person in a raid or group.

There's just something about doing something everyone says I can't do that made me happy. Everyone in the game would tell me that my spec was "broken" and how I couldn't do things that I was actually doing. And NO ONE would believe me until they played with me. Eventually a ton of people played with me and I'd get invited into raids and you'd hear it....

Guildee A: "RETLOL!! Dude he's not specced Holy kick his ass out the raid lol!!"

Guildee B: "LOL Ret pally wanna dps lol?"

GM: "Yuni (me) has joined us tonight because I wanted him to. Shut up and leave him alone. He knows what he's doing and he'll probably out dps both of you before this raid is over.....he's already done it to me..."

The GM was a mage btw lol. Was so great.

Okay so I ranted for a bit......so wut.

Anyway theorycrafting is pretty much what caused me to roll Retribution..in my head (and on my paper) I seen it was possible even though everyone told me it wasn't and I went with it. And it was awesome.
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JedinWaiting wrote:
Anyway theorycrafting is pretty much what caused me to roll Retribution..in my head (and on my paper) I seen it was possible even though everyone told me it wasn't and I went with it. And it was awesome.
That's when it's great Smile

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Well not to brag but Im a huge stat, skill build, crafter, mmo nerd lol! . I always love trying new builds out, doing things in pvp, and helping ppl with complex stuff. I always have a pen and paper, and study ways of approving. Along the way, when this mmo comes out, R.I.G will always here my opinion and helpfull gameplay from me.. Laughing
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